From my 3 yrs of engineering studies what i learned ? how can cal myself an engineer after this degree?
On 9th April at last the terrible days of 5th sem exam was over ........ just the day b4 that the only relief in mind was that exams Will end on the next day.Even though soon this terrible days comes in the name of series and 6th sem exam.On 9th we all faced the most toughest exam we ever had..... Theory of computation .... never i can blame that the subject is tough but our level of preparation was that low to face such a ( quality ) paper.....
I feel till this 5th sem the study was a mugging up process to score marks , was not bothered about the future....... how i am going to face the future after an year ? i am confused ? Is the professional course that changed me or my attitude ? Feel really confused ?
What the future needs an engineer who can simply mug up the contents in the book or who can work ? If one score good % does it mean he/she is an expert engineer ( at least an average engineer ) ? My mind is swimming in a pool of questions I tried answering but couldn't ?
Thursday, April 10, 2008
How can i cal myself an engineer aftr one mor yr ?
Subscribe to:
Post Comments (Atom)
22 comments:
Good point mate. But let me ask you one thng, what is the point of having someone who cant even mug?! Well, that way muggers will do.
Being in a job is not about what we know, not about what is already there. Yes you need to have something to start with, the base has to be there. But then what we are looking for are good learners. Once you enter the professional area you recognize that technical knowledge is not the only thing we need. We need to handle situations rather, handle people effectively., talk sensibly and understand logic. These things can;t be taught in a college. Yes, out educational system is to blam for the mess we are in. We learn a lot of things that could potentially be used for good use, but we fail to put them to tets. All the labs we do are mere exercies to complete for most of us, we are not welcome to think freeely and experiment.. thats where i feel the system fails.
nice point to note.
nice blog tooo. i will book mark yours and will come back to check once in a while.
take care
cheers
Ramu
really thk u for u comment :)
Dear Chinnu,
Getting a Job will become a big hurdle for you people as the chances and getting depleated. Wipro, infy etc are almost full as per my knowledge. THe oppurtunities come when someoen leaves!!! Let me tell u people one thing, You learn a lot of rubbish in B.Tech, but what u need is a certificate. (even if u don't a course cert and a mind to work can get you very high, even above the people who have secured B.tech with honor's.)
My point is, Get a certificate some how, only thing, don't look at which job u are taking up, do it with ddication and you can reach hights....
I dont agree with SparBoy on this. You see, I am a Btech ECE now working as a Network SUpport Engineer getting a smart 5 figure salary. I cant see chances depleting anywhere. Well if Infy, Wipro and all are throwing ppl out; those are rubbish ppl they are throwing ppl out. And no company shrinks. It only expands. So no worries that way. Ya, a couple of major players have stopped taking sub-standard students. Yeah, why complain. They are investing money on assest. Why should they agree on some stupid fellas!!
As far as Engg is concerned what I have seen is that ENgg's develop a rare state of mind. Give them a difficult VLSI topic and ask them to take a Seminar, most Degree fellas will take 2 weeks when Engg's would do it in two days. yeah, we are a different breed. Getting marks and failing may be another game altogether. Engg:'s have a different thought pattern. They take in a lot of Techie stuff easily. That's why they are Engg:'s ... Engg's when they pull up their socks and say they are gona do it are unstoppable and for them getting a job is no hard nut to crack. What fails them is the heavy syllabus. Yeah, a few rubbish papers in there.. But other tech papers actually help in grooming the tought pattern. They develop their minds thinking if for a moment. They get that confidence to take on the world. Teach them anything after that: the good ones will survive!!!
i wan to point one thing
i heard in some companies there is lack of work and only becoz of this people r thrown out.....
eventhough we hear these news thr is no reduse in campus recrutments ....... wht does it point ? r they simply recruting a numbr or do they plan to call them later ?
wrong mate: People are thrown out coz they dont work
Second they take people Because they need work force. When someone who is 5 years goes , you cant expect some fresh kid to come and fill the skills gap (there is comething like dat!!) and so freshers and not taken against anyones vacancy. Kep it off your small head!!
well, freshers are taken because they have more learning potential. Their brains are fresh and learn faster, or thats the concept!!
I have friends in TCS and Infy and I seen people being thrown out even from UST. Those are the useless guys, ones who stop working and stop showning loyality to the firm who agrees to pay to some 20-40 thousand everymonth, (salary is a sensitive info, i wont post it here!!)
See, recruitment and actual DOJ are two different things due to HR stuff, often the Hr guys mess up withs chdules and you ppl have to sit at home for long. They have to find resource and fit you in na? Well, who told that there is lack of work!! Phew, I wish!! Never happens, each year, so much of US UK and now Austrailan and bloody Accenture and IBS going everywhere and ppl form all corners are giving works to Indian companies (i$=40rs, 1pound=80rs).. huge profit for them... I havent put my ass down firmly after joining!! Work is work. No reduction no where!!
Dear Nightfox,
Have u heard abt recession???
I am a Business Development Manager in a MNC. I clearly know why these people are thrown out. Let me ask you one thing, can u explain all 256 iit grads from one repute iit was selected by campus by a very large firm and rejected later, even before they joined the firm???
I am also a B.Tech in CSE, CCNA, MCSE a lot of them like that includin PIX firewall certifications, yet me working happily as a BDM here?? I am handling e-learning section in my firm where we are incharge of business and billing from the client and have direct contact with software people.
Most of them work 6 days a week to complete there work. Some even for 7days. This is not the case of a single person for single week. It continues...
N/w admin job may be looking ood for you, but developmen is not like that. Do u think is there any reason other than this i threw away my job in Polaris? Humans dear, not machines.
Have u read the latest research; 30% of software developers who are even under 30 yrs of age has BP.
Abt salary, i am getting 50% more salary than that of my room mate (also my college mate) in wipro. What can u get becoming a developer or a n/w admin like u? Will that be any match for people in some different fields?? Its very difficult to live a good life even with 25-30 K (what a developer of 2-3 yrs of exp gets).
I like the points that you said like talk sensibly and all. But when you are working and something goes wrong, no one will consider whether you are speaking nobly or arrogant. Your top people will give you none other than scolding. I have worked for different companies in this short period of my tenure, bigger the company, larger the pressure.
So please keep that in mind, i prefer small companies to large ones.
Arun Sagar
Business Development Manager
New Jersey Virtual Global Office,
Millennium IT Consultants Inc,
#894, 15 Main 4th Cross
BTM 2nd Stage,
Bangalore.
Ph: 9741490469 / +1 732 626 9495
Also one more thing, after reading your comments, is it a HR issue by which a person is selected in June 2007 joining on March 31st 2008? Do u know the no. of people selected but not joined yet for MNCs? There are a lot of guys like that. They are freshers, so they have no choice. If they need workforce and they prefer fresh brains, why allowing them to sit in home for 1 yr, make them forget all they have in head??
They mainly take freshers coz they can be put on to work like animals and can get all the juices from there heads. coz they dont have another option. Can u give the same amount of work to a experienced guy? No, he will throw that away and look for a new job.
I dont find any great thing in being a fresher. Also abt b.tech people being more grasping than degree people. Yes, coz we are a elite group. We get into eng colleges coz of that. Can u say all engineers has the same thing?? Haven't u seen a lot of good for nothing people at high positions?? How did it happen?? I u say people who are not working are trown out, then y are they not being trown out.
Throwing away simply denotes the incapability of that manager to make that person work. Otherwise there is not a single bad apple, there are a lot. I am not saying that i haven't fired any. I have fired a person who didn't work. But still i was able to manage all others and all are still with me. I am having a very good time here and happy to work.
Also on the issue of giving work to indian companies. Yes, thats there. But they are not making much profit as you think. 1$=0 rs, but for a project of 10K $, they are paying 5K$. The ones who makes the profit, there margin is very less. As there is recssion in the US market, they are not outsourcing much. that flow is going down. I can tell u this coz its my job to bring business to the company.
Also we are all anxious on the decision obama may take after he claims victory. Hope u know, he hav givn promise to stop outsourcing!!!!!
Can u imagine that situation???
The profits of the companies is going down.... And the salary rates are hiking everywhere...
Think of ur future tomo.. no outsourcing!!!!
well, cool guy. You dont know the fun techies have.. we live on real world tech items. Devs's are boring. But i dont agree with you on ppl being thrown out. You dont knwo anything about that as far as I can see it.
"bigger the company, larger the pressure. " who said??
You know mine is biggest Educational Softwre provide r in UK. Shortly going into US and AUS. !! Big Tough eeh!? Ask us, Work is fun for us , dev ya network!!
Well, you seem to be the "Know all guy" no use talking to you. Well, listen mate: No company shirnks, it only expands!! Whatever bull shit MBA you are this is the fact, no wonder HR's are the worst kinda ppl everywhere!!
" US market, they are not outsourcing much" BIGGEST joks of the millenuim!!!!
wow which firm you work for mate!!? Seem's you havent seen the world outside!!
And Obama is not winning!! even if he wins, nothing happens!! Well he cant rule companies... Noboday can take work aways from India, the world's richest source of Human workforce!
This is the prob with managers elsewhere, thakfully ours are fine gentlemen from India and UK. They know how their work force does.
Everyother Indian companies these Manager sort of guy thinks he knows all and starts planning and when it never reaches anywhere they say its all workforce not preforming. Whos says!? Aks my CEO he knows exaclty what I am doing everyday and dats why we are taken care of and paid handsomely. We meet deadlines... who works 6 days!! week ends off mate... noboday works outside of 8 hours and yet we make 99% of the schedules.. thats planning to the core, even we are spell bound by that. You might have worked for some Infy and wipro, Indain companies I call them, work for Fedielity or HP or MS or Cisco and see.
Ask one of your sub-ordinates abut yourself : Seen the Naukri ad na? eeh!!
India companies are like Indian Educational System; Boss-fad!! Thats why It sucks!
And abt people being taken out: ask the mangers to bring out a prductivity graph or anything about these guys, their workflow and deadlines. You will know why they shut so many out.
AND MATE: TAKEING CERTIFICATION IS NOT ABOUT KNOWING THINGS, I KNOW HOW CERTIFICATIONS ARE TAKEN. IAM ALSO MSA,SE PIX AND STUFF... EVEN TRIED RHCE!!
And Noboday is gona scold me. Dats not in UK culture. You dont fit somewhere, he'll put me elsewhere!!No scolding wolding in TRUE MNC companies unlike Indian Companies (schools are they?!?!? scolding!! Ehh. funny whatelse!)... Dats why these ones never grow!
Dear Nightfox,
"You have to meet deadlines". Yes, thats the point. When you are given a task like that, can you sit at home in weekends? Even we dont. I am not saying i am a true genius in these fields and all, but let me tell you as i am in the markting front, Outsourcing is getting low. Its very difficult now to ain some business from US. I am not saying that its dried up or we are not able to make any.
We are making very good revenue out of US market. We have clients from UK,Norway, Poland, Aus, Singapore etc.
But its not so easy. Our clients include KPMG, Coke,J&J,Glaxo and a bunch of universities across the globe.
Its not a joke of millennium dude, ask a BDM in your firm, they will answer you.
Hope u are with pearson education, coz they are the biggest providers in UK and most of the world or may be with MacMillian.
I do agree with you abt infy, wipro, accenture, satyam, TCS etc. But think, aren't these companies hiring freshers? Tell me a few "UK" companies hiring freshers and giving work environment like you said.
Last i conclude, B.Tech will help you to a good extent for development thing, but its the training and the initial 6 months that make the difference in a professional.
Havent heard about RM Plc yet eeh?!
Chinnu sorry dat we two are messing up your blog.
Well, I leave this here.
If you are an Engineer, then you have learnt a lot. And ask a Mech/Civil guy who work in their own domain how useful was B.Tech they will tell you.
As far as IT is concerned, people have to work harder.
I have never sat on a saturday to finish off work. We work as team and our managers ensure that no one is stressed out and has to work overtime. They have effective charts and excel sheets, even though iritatiing, that take our work progress and they recruit additional staff, internal or external, and finish off work.
As far as freshers are concerned; you people are lucky working as trainees if you choose true MNC's. Take my word, if you work work for a company that has base in UK or US or Europe. Something like OnMobile, Fedielty, HP or Nokia or MS or Cisco something of that magnitude. You dont need heavy resumes for that, just the right course.
Well, US recession hit some Indian companies, not hard enough because the people who run it know that this is just temporary. Look at Infy Net output brought out today, now do I need to ask BDM;s to rea from that. These Indain companies too are making money even when things are happening in US. Well, who cares, the salaries will keep going up. One thing, we put in fair enough for that. Take home 40 and come to office for gossip, you will sit home in couple of months, thats all.
No panic buttons here; those who see positive in the market wont have to worry.
Well, I cant argue any more, and we did dirty your personla blog a lot didnt we. Sorry for that. :)
You must be studying somewhere in Kerala na? I am working in Technopark, my views are basically about the market down south, I dont know how Mumbai and Delhi has reacted but from the net out puts of Relaince and some big players seems they too are ok..
Sum up: You are Engg. Dont worry about the rest, No body is going to make your life hell after this if you wish. Just choose the right company and work hard for that. If you cant get optimum marks, take some courses and work up some knowledge. My advice is DOnt go into MBA field. some money is in the offing, but they loose their happiness overnight. Life is more fun down here, a new day everyday. We just dont go their and work. We live it. I enjoy my job and so does everyone in my office, elset they wouldnt be there: my CEO says " The day when you get up and feel, aah , one more day" come to me and Quit. Yes, he is true. We never quit, we are more like a family. In big companies the work force is their greatest streangth. And freshers are not animals. They come and induce new thinking and challenge the limits.So go live your dream.
And Dont expect anything from training in companies. They are useless stuff. Ask someone from Infy how their trainingw was.. yeah, my sis quit after she got depressed about mugging! That's useles, dont worry, i never had any sort of training formally. Still I have learnt thing ans still do. Thats more about your attitude how much you take in.. hey Engineer na? Dont worry.... you can take a lot, I know!! :)
Your post was something near to a self-confession.They misinterpreted the content, considered their interpretation as the best assessment,analyzed, and found a solution and imposed it on u - thats engineers, thats engineering!
H
You don't wanna call an enGineer your self. You can Call a Doctor, A computer Doctor, I think that would "ease" you. Am I Right?
From what i see as a CSE grad, there is a lot you get from the courses and being called an engineer, thats actually a different question all together!
The Beginning The working life is already tough enough, but the worries of being out of work was even tougher. The unsecured working environment have prompted me to search the internet for an alternative source of extra income so that I could learn how to Make Money Work for me and be Financially Independent. I listed down a number of Free Internet Business Opportunity Ideas while researching ways how people earn money online while working-from-home.......
www.onlineuniversal.com
Post a Comment